Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Mercury in the 8th House: Dangerous Mind

People with Mercury in the 8th House of their birth chart have a mind that is like a concealed weapon. There is the potential for their thoughts, ideas, and words to do a significant amount of damage. But, this is also because the person’s thoughts, ideas, and words have been damaged at some point in their lives. The 8th House represents the psychological pain that a person has to work through. It symbolizes your emotional issues but also how you can transform them. With an 8th House Mercury, these emotional issues revolve around communication. At some point, they have endured pain, destruction, crisis, and very possibly abuse in terms of communication. So, this placement becomes about discarding toxic approaches to communication and establishing a healthy, rich, and empowering line of dialogue between oneself and others.

This dialogue can also just be with oneself, as well. Mercury is the thoughts that bounce around in a person’s head and when Mercury is in the 8th, a person has the potential to be downright brutal and harsh to themselves in their thoughts. It can create a cruel inner voice and that can extend toward other people, as well, if not careful. Few people can cut someone down with their words quite like someone with this placement. “Sharp-tongued” is a pretty mild way to describe it. It’s like a tongue that’s a scalpel and can get under your skin as deeply as this surgical instrument. If the 8th House Mercury is in Gemini, Virgo, Scorpio, or Aquarius, then this person can be especially astute in this dangerous sort of way, skilled at verbally hitting you in the exact place that it will hurt the most. It’s why, when they’re operating from a lower place, conversations can get rather ugly pretty quickly.

The thing is that, when you have Mercury in the 8th House, your words have tremendous power. Any planet that’s in the 8th is very powerful in its expression. When the planet of communication is here, everything you say can affect other people profoundly, more so than you realize. But, the energy of the 8th House is mysterious and profound. So, those with this placement will never fully understand why they can affect people the way they do with our words. The key is to realize that you do possess this power and to not abuse it. Doing so will only attract a lot of negative energy into your life, making you the kind of person who cannot open their mouths without leaving casualties. 

Mercury in the 8th House can make a person go through life communicating in a way that seems rather harsh. It might just be a little bit too intense for others, at times. But, it’s just because of all of this mental energy has been bottled up, twisted up, and often battered and bruised. It is very common to see an 8th House Mercury person be a survivor of mental abuse. As we increasingly know now, verbal abuse is just as terrible as physical abuse. In fact, some might say that it’s worse because at least physical bruises are visible and can be treated in a tangible way. It’s much harder to heal from being mentally abused. Often times, someone with this placement will come from a family where this kind of language is commonplace. Maybe people were ripped to shreds on a regular basis, to a point that was often just cruel and unnecessary. The target of this could very often be the person with Mercury in the 8th. Maybe also their intelligence or voice itself was targeted, being told they were stupid (which they most likely were not at all, as this makes for a very sharp individual), that they shouldn’t speak up, or that their ideas were useless.

Not all people with planets in the 8th House come from an abusive family (although it is a strong trend). Sometimes, the trauma of these planets is experienced elsewhere. Since Mercury does represent our grade school years, there could have been a serious power struggle between this student and his or her teachers. The emotional pain you endured could have had to do with the reactions you received from instructors. For better or for worse, 8th House Mercury kids can really push their teachers’ buttons. Maybe you brought out a dark side in a certain teacher in particular. A situation of being dramatically singled out and “put in your place” could have occurred that somehow scarred you, maybe more than you realize. A certain teacher or two could have even destructively went out of their way to turn your parents or other teachers against you.

All of this time, you may wonder just what it is that you did wrong. The experience of deeply dreading getting called on in class because all of the intense emotional undercurrents between you and the teacher may have thwarted your ability to truly use your voice. Also, we can definitely see 8th House Mercury people getting into verbally abusive relationships. It might have been one pivotal, life-changing one or a long string of ones. The 8th House is how we engage in and experience intimacy, as well. So, the process of getting intimate with someone could have been fraught with a lot of mind games and power plays. Regardless of the context, I think a lot of 8th House Mercury individuals feel scarred by the experience of someone lying to them. And not just telling one lie but being a horrible, habitual liar. The lies can get to an unbelievable level, to a point where it’s just unforgivable and makes you question if you even know that person anymore. Becoming intimate with a pathological liar, with someone who constantly got into your head, or someone who was always tearing you down is something that has deeply affected with you.

These situations have served to create this feeling of torment around communication. Whether you grew up being verbally abused, got into a relationship without any honest or loving communication, or endured major power struggles in the educational system, there can be this sense that using your voice always comes with some painful consequences. This can make your thoughts and ideas very pent-up because the difficult experiences have made you uneasy about sharing. Yet, this can also mean that when you do speak out, it is going to be quite harsh because you see communication as some sort of power battle. An ease, simple conversation can easily turn into a vicious free-for-all or an exchange of paranoia and suspicion. Since they once endured dishonesty and mental trickery, Mercury in the 8th House can make a person particularly sensitive to any sort of deceit or lies, as well as what is seen as fakeness on your part in conversation.

Then, you get the cliché 8th House Mercury person who is a heavy conversationalist, who hates “small talk”, always dismisses the superficial, constantly reads between the lines, etc. Yes, this placement does make you a deep thinker. But, some of these traits are just the expression of an unhealed pain and lack of trust, as well as a penchant for dwelling too much on the dark side. The thing is that Mercury in the 8th actually makes you comprehend your emotional problems very well. You see them clearly and logically. It’s just that you might think about them too much or mistake your suspicions or obsessions with intelligent insight. This placement does make you very perceptive. But, again, it’s all about using this power positively and wisely. This is why I call this placement “the dangerous mind.” In the wrong hands, such a mental focus on gaining control will prevent any healthy communication. It’s also something that makes you play a lot of mind games, if you’re not careful, feeling an almost sick stimulation for being able – thanks to your nuanced perceptions of others and your complex thinking skills -  to fuck with people’s heads so well.

So, all that being said, you really need to heal these problems. 8th House planets already understand the darkness very well. Therefore, the focus needs to turn toward the light. With Mercury in the 8th, the thing is that you know better. You are definitely smart enough to rise above the nastiness and negativity of your inner demons. But, you can display a certain duality in just doing it anyway. What you have to accept is that you’re more intelligent than that. If the 8th House is how we deal with our “emotional inheritance” and develop inner resources because of it, those with this placement who come from an emotionally unhealthy family can find their inner power by knowing that they’re smarter than all of that dysfunction. So, one’s survival skills are developed through cleverness and reasoning. This means that by working through your emotional problems and transforming them, you develop your inner resource of handling very complicated issues.
Mercury in the 8th House individuals understand things that are highly complicated in an effortless manner. This is especially true if these things are emotionally, psychologically, or spiritually complicated. In grade school, some people with this placement can lean more toward the cerebral side and excel at complex studies like chemistry, physics, algebra, etc. But, other students with this placement are capable of displaying a deep, rich emotional intelligence that allows them to ace subjects that are more intuitive like English, especially when works of literature are involved. In any case, the way you learn is very obsessive. The issue you may have faced growing up  is that you either utterly loved or hated a subject. If you felt no passion for it, it was tough for you to mentally commit to it, which could’ve turned that class into a serious struggle for you. But, if you deeply loved it, you could be the best student in class.

Benedict Cumberbatch as iconic detective Sherlock Holmes, who could've had this placement
Such obsessiveness and fierce focus continues today. It’s rare to find an 8th House Mercury who is actually scatterbrained. Even if you have a Gemini or Pisces Mercury, once you focus, you focus. In fact, such concentration can be so powerful and affect you so deeply that it’s hard to switch off. This placement makes a person develop a mental obsession and then find it difficult to let go. You might completely immerse yourself in a particular subject or field of study. Then, if you feel like it’s time, you can become totally done with it and move on to something else. As a result, you probably find it very easy to finish a book, no matter how long it is. It’s also why when you speak, your ideas are coming up from the depths. Even if the conversation is more on the surface, the way you’re engaging with it isn’t. This is also because you do comprehend things in terms of subtext. You not only hear what someone is saying but you hear the meaning that is underneath those words. But, it may be easy to take this too far and become obsessed, as I said before, with that subtext. “What did he really mean when he said…?” you may ask. The answer is sometimes, “Exactly what he said.”

You are intent on going deep with someone when you speak to them, either avoiding the simple chit-chat or deeply feeling them out and what’s going on with them internally. Mercury in the 8th makes your mind operate on numerous levels, which is you can be a mysterious conversationalist. Even the most unfiltered ones with this influence will never say absolutely everything they’re thinking. Not necessarily out of secrecy but just because the thought processes are so multilayered that it’d be impossible. So, there is always something very complex about how we communicate.

Still, it doesn’t mean they will be really tight-lipped and stingy with their thoughts, either, because many won’t fit that description. When you meet an 8th House Mercury person who is a lot more open in speech, it will create that rich feeling of intimacy in the conversation. Yet, it’s a bit of a burden to bear. The 8th House energy is very emotionally and sexually charged. So, having the planet of language here means that when you speak, there is an intimacy to it that can feel deeply personal and seductive to either person. Obviously, this can get quite intense. And when you speak with a certain openness with this planet, it’s like there’s a nakedness going on. Many 8th House Mercury folks who are stuck in battles for power may be more content with just making the other person feel naked, all while not exposing their true thoughts. This is another destructive pattern that just prevents any real communication from happening.

I think that, when you have this placement, you know that revealing your true thoughts is a really powerful thing. But, you have to be willing to expose yourself, in this way. I feel like this is where a lot of the 8th House Mercury’s mental, verbal power comes from. Being able to expose what’s actually going on in your head will give the other person the feeling of comfort to do the same. So, the more open you become, with this placement, the more you will feel empowered by real communication. Again, it’s also going to make this dialogue feel very intimate, no matter who it’s actually with or what the subject is about. Mercury in the 8th House can make the simplest thing sound profound. This is the thing that can be sort of disorienting because, often, a sexual element can come into play in an unexplainable manner. It might feel as if you’re having pillow talk with someone you don’t even know that well and it all becomes oddly, mysteriously erotic.

It doesn’t help that many Mercury in the 8th House people can also have a real bedroom voice to go along with that. So, it’s like your words and your thoughts can be this alluring energy that sucks people in. For the person that you’re actually sleeping with, this placement is going to urge you to really communicate your true sexual desires and feelings. You will need to be unafraid to use your voice in the context of the bedroom. It might be quite difficult for you to share ideas in terms of how to make the sex better or what isn’t satisfying you. But, it’s something that you definitely need to do, more than the next person. It is especially important for you to maintain strong, healthy communication in your intimate relationships. It cannot be about lying, manipulation, withholding, or mind games. You have to work through the emotional and sexual issues present by being willing to completely listen to them and also to know how to make sure you are being truly heard.

Mercury rules one’s sense of humor, as well. Yes, this placement can create a dark sense of humor. But, it can also mean that one just has a “killer” sense of humor. Since planets in this house can be so extreme, having Mercury in the 8th House can make you extremely funny, slaying just about everyone with your relentless sarcasm and shrewd banter. Just how you use that humor is the key. At some point in life, you may have used your razor-sharp wit in a rather mean-spirited or brutal way. Hopefully, you have found a way to rise above that. Still, you will always have that savage side to you and it’d be cathartic for you to find an outlet for that inner monologue. You might keep a journal or write comedy stories that give expression to that ferociously funny internal voice.

Great humor, after all, comes from great insight and you are highly insightful. So, your humor can pack a powerful punch and transform others by serving as a release for the secret, sometimes wicked thoughts everyone has. Also, if the 8th House is how you learn to survive and release your emotional baggage, Mercury in the 8th House people will empower themselves and lighten their load by just regularly finding the humor in things. So, don’t be surprised at those with this position who are much more lighthearted and humorous than the typical descriptions of this position suggests. They have just been through so much emotionally that they have learned to transform that pain and live in the light by constantly finding reasons to laugh or make others laugh.


  1. Wayman, thank you so much for this insightful post! I often suffer sensing that my verbal self-expression makes other people get serious and alert, even when I try to keep the conversation light and funny. But that might be difficult for someone with this placement, combined with Mercury opposite to Pluto and Saturn, even if trined by Jupiter...

  2. Is this placement similar with North Node in gemini in the 8house?

    1. Gemini is ruled by Mercury and north node are the lessons of this life, it really is quite similar energy since this is the energy the person has to integrate in this life so idky you had to be facetious to this person and not just answer their question!

  3. No question about it, Whole house is the only way to go with my chart. This hit dead on. Packed 8th house. I grew up always being picked on verbally from family, at school, etc. And I loathed math in school and nearly failed it. But I loved English, lit, & spelling. I have Mercury conjunct Mars as well and my words pack a hard punch.

    1. This is only part of it, I am obsessed with true crime and love anything to do with detective work. And my temper is frightening.

  4. You are SOOO spot on.
    I have Mercury in the 8th, in scorpio. Felt like you told my story here. Verbal abuse in childhood (my dad had Merc./Mars conj.) and I have Chiron in 3rd house with a scorpio stellium if sun-venus-jupiter directly opposite.

    Your article was a key i to why my life events have unfolded like they have, and I have just left a relationship with a triple Taurus that stepped on that Chiron all the bloody time.!!
    Very verbally abusive, narcisstisc behavior...

    I have several bligs where I (anonymously) let out mental steam. If I didn't have those I don't know what I would do, truly!!

    Also, a certain talent of sudenly finding myself with a person who is utterly engaged in my words and thus me - while I was just talking about some other stuff. It's magnetism in a verbal form I Think...

    My observations are usually so "sharply cut" that the only place I can air them is on the internet/blogs, but I think this affinity also offers a hreat affinity or talent for complicated tech stuff - I clearly see why I chose an education within web based communication ;-)

  5. Does this apply the same as Mercury in the 8th in secondary progression?

  6. Me to a tee...Your article had me reflecting on some hard situations at school and at home. I'm still trying to make out my Leo Mercury. I feel a tug to do acting, but fear that I'm not cut out for it keeps me from making any moves. I know that I have Neptune in my 1st to thank for that as well.

  7. I recognize shades of this in myself. My 8th house lord is in the 3rd house of communications and siblings. I had an older brother who would spew abuse so shocking, my mother stopped believing me when I reported it so I just started keeping it to myself. As a child I cried at home every single day because of him. School was a nightmare as well, as I was beaten every day but I almost never cried there. I barely spoke or did anything and this frozen state infuriated some of my teachers.

    Today my scars are quite healed and I'm not sharp-tongued or sarcastic. I actually have acquired a reputation among my friends for actually having something besides desperate clichés to say when someone is going through something very ugly or traumatic. I guess that's the gift of this placement. 8th in Cancer and its ruler in 3rd gives me a knack for communicating in a penetrating but ultimately nurturing way. It isn't lighthearted banter perhaps but it has helped (I'm told) when someone was untangling some 8th house type drama. God knows I'm no stranger to that kind of trouble.

  8. This hit home on every level. I grew up in an extremely physically and very verbal abusive family. It took a lot of therapy to get me thinking somewhat positively. When I talk to people they say they feel like it's always way out there even if I'm trying to keep comversations light. To add on to having an 8th house mercury, my mercury is also in pisces and the dominant house in my chart is the 8th. Lord.

  9. Great article, thank you.
    I have virgo mercury in 8th square exactly pluto and jupiter. I enjoy any kinds of laughter anywway.

  10. Wayman Stewart, THANK YOU so much for going on and on. I hed not idea about this aspect. I have mercury in the 8th, pisces on the cusp of the 8th and chiron not conjunct to mercury in the 8th but very close by. I'm finding some may ah moments while reading this. It explained so much of my life. This was my life to a t. I used to rip people to shreds in a single sentence. fortunately i grew out of that. I was absolutely mentally abused my whole childhood. I thought it might be a good idea to have a facebook support group for people with this aspect. I could use one. Anyway. thank you. this knowledge is probably going to change my life.

  11. Very accurate. Yes, I grew up with physical and emotional abuse - from both parents - they were teenagers, and suffering from their own narcissistic tendencies. They got wrapped up in an alternative religion - that morphed into an abusive cult (at least from my viewpoint - due to my parent's unresolved spiritual issues). My sun sign is in the 8th house as well. I'm going to write a science fiction story about my experience.

    1. My sun sign is in 8th house Leo rising and I also have mars and Saturn in Scorpio

    2. I'm studying this article want to know more about the tech insights. I'm creating my own cryptocurrency

  12. Can you share mercury in 7th house? Knowledge isn't about mercury in 7th house in the internet.

  13. Wow, that so true! Btw, I have sun, mercury, north node, lilith and ketu in the 8h house.

    Pluto and 10th house in scorpio.

    Saturn, uranus and neptune in 12th house.

    So It can get even more intense for me....

  14. I had never felt such acceptance and harmony when I read these letters.
    hmmm I have a strong earthly characteristic in this house , capricorn.